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Layla ([personal profile] layla) wrote2009-01-14 01:53 pm

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I'm not getting much writing done today; I'm doing more reading about it ...

There's a current series of posts going 'round on the topic of cultural appropriation (something I think about a lot in regards to my own often-flawed attempts to write multicultural worlds). It begins here with Elizabeth Bear aka [livejournal.com profile] matociquala's post on writing the "other" in speculative fiction. Then there is an open letter to Elizabeth Bear at Seeking Avalon, pointing out a problematic character in one of Bear's novels as symptomatic of the larger problem of poor representation of characters of color in SF. And, spawned off a comment thread in Bear's LJ, there is I Didn't Dream of Dragons by [livejournal.com profile] deepad which is, really, one of the best posts on the pain and harm of cultural appropriation and lack of representation in mainstream Western fiction that I've read. Then Elizabeth Bear responds to the "open letter" post in a way that is more open-minded than defensive, though that doesn't stop (white) people from getting defensive all over her comments. And [livejournal.com profile] shewhohashope has an insightful post about that defensive response. (These posts, and the comments to them, have a few more links as well.)

I think [livejournal.com profile] deepad's post resonates for me in particular because it strikes to the heart of why I spend so much time thinking about this, and reading about it, and trying to fix the places where I've messed up and to mess up less on each project I try. Because when you don't do that -- when you write about universes peopled exclusively by white straight men, when you play at "diversity" by sticking a few token and stereotypical characters into the mix, when you ignore readers who tell you "Hey, you screwed up here" -- you hurt people. And I don't want to do that.

In a broader sense, of course, I write what is interesting to me. I want to write about a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, sexually diverse future because it's a fascinating place and because it's the way I think things are going to be; because the people I know are not a cultural, religious, ethnic, sexual-orientation monolith and I want to write about that, too. And I know that I haven't done the best job (to say the least) of depicting the diverse world I envision; in "Raven's Children", especially, I know that I messed up in some pretty fundamental ways, and Kismet is not without its share of problems as well. But I'm trying to fix my problems, and do better, because I want to write my escapist fantasies without having them be a poke in the eye to anyone else.

[identity profile] laylalawlor.livejournal.com 2009-01-15 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, exactly. The power is all on the other side. People without it have to speak up just to be heard at all -- which is another recurring theme in these discussions; they speak up and then are accused of being angry, while the other side quietly and passive-aggressively pokes back at them and then blames them for getting upset about it. (See the long comment thread on [livejournal.com profile] truepenny's discussion on this for an example of this sort of polite, passive-aggressive pushing until the other person snaps. I don't think that's what Truepenny et al are trying to do ... but it's a particular kind of unfairness that makes me think of how children will quietly poke another child until the victim gets angry about it -- and then she's the one who gets in trouble, while the instigators sit there with a hands-in-the-air, wide-eyed "Who, me?" innocent look.)

I've also been thinking about your use of the word "hate" in an earlier comment in this thread -- I'm uncomfortable with that, I really, really am, unless you mean hate directed towards the WoC bloggers who are bringing up problems with Bear et al's books, but I don't get the impression from context that that's what you mean. And I'm not seeing hate here, not from people like Avalon's Willow etc. -- anger that comes from a place of pain is what I'm seeing, and they're actually going out of their way to be fair and stick to the specific people and situations that are pushing them, going out of their way not to tar everyone with the same brush. I think calling it hate is ... not right.
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2009-01-16 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
Re: "hate" - poor word choice on my part. I mean hatred of the characters and stereotypes, not the creators or the debaters; I've been talking about character hate lately in other fan forums, so that's the word that came to mind, but in this context it was definitely ill-chosen. Sorry about that.

[identity profile] laylalawlor.livejournal.com 2009-01-16 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the clarification. :) It was a word that seemed to me ill-chosen, especially in the context of the rest of the discussion, and this makes more sense to me.